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AllyT |
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I've missed far more of the second half of the season than I wanted. Is it possible to have a balanced assessment of Ross Jack's tenure? How does he
compare with predecessors? Record is W5 L11 D2, I think. Some thumping losses in there.
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elwood |
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To be honest I think he has had a good effect on some of the younger players coming through (eg. zander jack) but I wouldnt like to read into what he has done
so far as I feel its to early. Also he is doing a job with Williamsons team. Once he gets to put his own stamp on the team I think it will be fairer to judge
how well he is doing.
I know that Jack has signed up on a full time basis and I see this as a step forward for the club but we really do need to give him time. Two seasons at least to get some stability to the team and club. Us as fans also have to realise that the quick fix we are all looking for just doesnt exist and unfortunalty our managers past have suffered this, as sometimes we have been to quick to have a dig at them and our turnover of managers is just a joke. I really hope that he is given a fair opportunity by everyone linked to the club |
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1893 |
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Absolutely pointless judging Ross Jack on results since he came in! He came in halfway through a season, took over a team that isn't his and was very low
on confidence. The time to judge is 1 year from now.
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Pirate Mo |
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Very well said elwwood,
He has come in with someone elses tem, and on top of that, he had no cash to pull in any experience to help him bolster the team at that time. It's going to be very hard for him to get any instant success, due to the financial position of the club, so it has to be a long term plan for the future, although he has to be given the opportunity to spend on experience to help him in the building process. It's never going to be easy, but the man has to be given the chance now to take the club forward, and put a structure in place that ensures a flow of players in the future, although, even then, he will still have to buy some experience each season to help develop this stream of players that hopefully aill be coming through. |
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Geordie Lass |
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Far too early too give an opinion...
Totally off topic about him, Neils grandparents sit with Ross Jacks aunt when they go out drinking... See you never knew that well in truth you didnt want too, but its a small world as neils gran was chatting with her friend who they go out drinking with.... when they were chatting about footy, her friend mentioned that her nephew had just took over as manager of Elgin city, they sit with them every week as well in the local and didnt have a clue ha ha ha ha so theres some crap info that you all didnt want too know ha ha ha ha, neils gran drinks with ross jacks aunt...... |
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JDanielR1875 |
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Ross Jack has doubled the points Elgin city had since he has game in. And i would say job very well done at his early stage with Elgin City. Well done Ross pat
on the back from me.
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Citymad |
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I dont think he has done that great but we will have to give him a full season to see what he can do.
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JDanielR1875 |
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Citymad wrote: Maybe you should try and stop being so negative citymad. You should give credit where credits due and i would like you to look at the points Elgin had when Ross Jack took the job. Wasnt it about 9 or something? He has taken Elgin forward and he toook over at a bad bad time. I will not be on the mans back i would like to hope Elgin fans could pass some positve energy onto the team. Its harder to do well when people dont believe in you. Fans are important and maybe all of our top flight SPL clubs have the same problem trying to crack the Old Firm. For me the OF arent that good and i think other teams could crack them and i think the same goes for ECFC a wee bit of beleif might just bail out the club and Ross Jack can take Elgin up to the 2nd Division with our help as fans. |
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Citymad |
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Where can i get some of you're positive pills Dan?
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Noall |
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There is no point making any judgement about Ross Jack until this time next year. He inherited Robbie Williamsons team.
What we need to see is less interference from Squadron Leader Tatters and leave Ross to get on with his job. Williamson has shown us that North players (and County/Caley rejects) alone are not capable of success in this league. I hope that Ross has funds available to bring in quality players, but more importantly, we don't rely on our bigger neighbours for players and most definitely stay away from HFL. I read that we were looking at players from Clach....... Did they win the HFL? No, their players are therefore not good enough for us, a league above them. |
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Citymad |
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Noall i could'nt agree more.
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JDanielR1875 |
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Citymad wrote: I have no idea haha But maybe a few bottles of Vodka may help you out. |
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Citydaft |
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Ok, so Clach did not perform too great in the HFL this year, but how on earth does this mean every single player from them is not good enough?
Poor or average teams are capable of having good players. Once again our pompous streak runs true when regarding, rather disregarding, Highland League and North football players. To say we can't do well in the league with North players is ignorant. The problem is, I fear we can no longer attract the top players from the HFL, not without paying ridiculous wages and ofcourse unrealistic transfer fees. A bit of foresight is required to get a hold of players: a, at a young age where they can progress through ranks and b, trying to sign the top HFL players whos contracts are expiring We know we shouldn't copy Williamson's County/Caley rejects and Robertson's split training camps, so what are is Mr Jack left with. - Local talent, inc Inverness and Aberdeen. and using the youngsters we already have? any other suggestions? There is no doubt it is one of the most difficult jobs in Scottish football, what with the lack of funds combined with the geography concerned. But next season brings new hope and undoubtedly expectations, although let's face it 9th is progress. I do really look forward to seeing how the manager approaches putting his squad together |
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Pirate Mo |
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Hi Citydaft,
I don't know if you've seen the P&J today, but I've just seen the website, and it raises the first question for me on the methods of Ross Jack. David McConnachie has stated that the players return for the start of pre season training on 4th. June!!!!!! Now, I checked the calendar, and that's a Thursday, which doesn't seem correct, so I hope that the P&J article was wrong too! Players need a rest, as they only played the last game over a week ago, and to start them too early, will do no good what so ever. And especially where part time players are concerned. People forget that these guys are not in fact part time, but work harder and put more hours in than any full time player, as they have a day job, and then have to fit football in on top of that, where as a full time player goes in, does his stuff, and is then encouraged to go and rest, ready to face the challenge. Out here, our guys at Joe Public, due to the heat, come in at 7.00am for two hours, and then again in the evenings at 4.00pm, for around another hour, maybe an hour and a half, and in between, they rest. My opinion, is that for part time players, at any level, a six week pre-season period is enough, with that period structured to have the players at a level of fitness and understanding, to take them into the first games of the season. Built into that period is ample time in the last fortnight to play friendly games, against lower standard opposition, to gain confidence, match fitness, and to establish the best system to suit the players you have available. If it's felt that more is required, the nights could be stepped up to three instead of two, which in fact, many of the clubs in the South have as their normal week. Taking players back in without a rest, and the chance to be with their families for a while, is asking for trouble, as is hammering them into the ground too early, as they will end up stale before the start, instead of being fresh and hungry. Just my thoughts, and open to discussion. |
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Noall |
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Citydaft, we are a 3rd Div side, I assume that the idea is to get promoted into the 2nd? If you have two or three players at Clach that are good enough to help
us win Div3, surely they would be good enough to help Clach finish higher than fifth from the bottom of the HFL?
I did not say that North players were no good, I said that alone they would not be good enough. You know that we cannot attract the best HFL players, so to 'hope' that the ones we can get will be good enough is pretty poor planning. The SPL will shed players this summer and this in turn will affect the standard of players filtering down the leagues, we do not want to get caught out again, signing what we thought is a good side only to see other 3rd Div teams signing even better players who became available later in the summer. |
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Noall |
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That's a good post Mo.
I heard this last week but it includes the youth teams as well. I think they are making a mistake. I hope that Ross has the authority to prevent Elgin from running those kids 'til they are sick like they did last year. |
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Judderman7 |
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So, City will go back to pre-season training eight weeks before the start of the new season rather than six. Big deal?
Also, Noall, I really have to disagree with you and I'm with Citydaft on this one. Basically, by your logic here, there are no players at lower league bottom half sides who have the ability to make the step up a league. It pains me to use the example of someone like Kris Boyd, but Killie were rubbish even with him, and now he's a fair chance of finishing top scorer in a league-winning season at Ibrox. Secondly, I also understand by your thinking that, conversely, because Kris Boyd is good enough to win the league for Rangers, he could score the same number of goals in a team like Hearts or Aberdeen and help them to the top. A player can have talent and suffer little support from the rest of his team, and this is what good managers can spot. It's easy for Real Madrid to cherry-pick the top players from top teams, but the real managerial talent can be seen in someone like Craig Levein, who takes players from the likes of Ayr United (Craig Conway) and Berwick Rangers (Danny Swanson) and quickly makes them into SPL-standard players. Before Ross Jack was at Ross County, they signed a great young player, Craig Gunn, from a struggling Wick Academy. Now he's banging in the goals (lately, on loan at Peterhead). The best example, however, would have to be Fort William goalkeeper (now there's a job!) John Campbell... transferred directly to Hibs in the mid-late 1990s because a top-flight side saw some clear talent there, despite the fact he was regularly shipping sixes and sevens each game. If there are players from Wick, Rothes, Lossie or Fort William who can improve the side, I want to see them at BB asap! |
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Judderman7,
Great example, is that the John Campbell who was just a young boy when Hibs took him, he never made it, went on loan to Caley (before they were SPL) and then returned to HFL where he was No2 at Fort William and then No2 at Nairn, did well when he got his chance but now he is transfer listed because Nairn have signed Ridgers and still only 30. My logic could be tested by Nairn next season, they will have at least three ex Elgin players, let's see if they do better than 10th in the HFL. Your point is based on one player in a squad, but I am suggesting that if Clach had THREE players good enough for us to challenge for promotion, they (Clach) should have done better than they did. |
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1893 |
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I'm guessing that the thinking behind the early start to pre-season is to try and sort out this problem we have of always having such awful form at the
start of the season. At least Ross is trying to fix the problem and hopefully this is going to work. He's going to have to be busy getting players in
though. The 4th of june is 2 weeks away and we only have youth players re-signed for next season! Can't have pre-season training without a team! So i'm
expecting the next 2 weeks to be busy.
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Pirate Mo |
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1893,
Hell, doesn't time fly!!! You're spot on, and the 4th. June is only two weeks away, and it's frightening. Now, just put yourself in the players shoes, who only played their last game a couple of weeks ago, and how would you feel about coming back in two weeks time? Your point on the lack of players is well put, and to get the benefit of starting early, the majority of your squad should be in place, otherwise it makes no sense, therefor, as you rightly say, it should be a very busy two weeks coming up, with hopefully some positive signings being made by the club. |
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Hi All,
Will players want to sign so early in the summer knowing that there will be lots of clubs looking? Would they also be thinking that if they sign, bang goes thier summer break?! You have to respect any part time players if they want to get away on holidays in the short time between end of season and pre-season. |
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